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Old 09-07-2020, 02:19 AM   #1
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Is there a better head unit from a 740 or 940 that would fit in a 240 upper slot to replace my td-613?
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Old 09-07-2020, 04:39 PM   #2
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Go Continental retro-ish head unit...
https://www.continental-automotive.c...-USB-Bluetooth
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Go Continental retro-ish head unit...
https://www.continental-automotive.c...-USB-Bluetooth
I have bought 3, good match to the Volvo interior. Get one from eBay
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Go Continental retro-ish head unit...
https://www.continental-automotive.c...-USB-Bluetooth
VDO unit is backlit blue if the orange doesn't float your boat

I use this radio in my 2001 cherokee and my 92 240. Only downside is no send plug for an amp.
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The orange though... Is it dimmable? Any chance all the orange comes from a few SMD LED's behind the panel that I can replace with some green guys? If anyone's willing to pop the face plate off and take a pic :^)

Has nobody swapped in a newer volvo head unit into a 240 before?
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The orange though... Is it dimmable? Any chance all the orange comes from a few SMD LED's behind the panel that I can replace with some green guys? If anyone's willing to pop the face plate off and take a pic :^)
I have the vdo unit. Same as continental unit, just blue lit instead of orange. You can come check mine out if you're curious, but no its not dimmable and its really annoying that it isn't, because it's very bright at night.
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Mostly because it looks normal and has adjustable colors. Blue tooth and handsfree also. Cheap.
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:40 AM   #9
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I like these older Blaupunkts Miami or Madison. They work really good, have lots of outputs and even a mini plug input. And they look right at home in a 240


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Old 09-14-2020, 04:02 AM   #10
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They used to sell a 240 faceplate for the 7/9 CR814. Single DIN, basically. 15A had one/the part # for it IIRC.

Allows you to use the 960 premium sound 4x40w? AMP made by alpine, or probably 4x50w 850R if you can find one or V70/C70 thing on appropriate bracket.

Some clever clogs figured out how to make the CD changer input work with an MP3 player with the old display.

They weren't junk in their day/were decent japan alpine stuff branded as "volvo."
Other than a decent volume knob and cleaning the volume pot, they've worked pretty well for me.

Dated, but nice for what they were.
Probably other options anymore, and, well, no one listens to CDs anymore.

As to speakers, Bostons out of E30s used to be about all there was for trick stuff for manual window 4" shallows in the day recombining junkyard junk with the crutchfield adapters, but those cars don't really go to the JYs anymore/too valuable. Gone are the days of 4 E30s for 4-5K, now you're lucky to get one vaguely decent 1 at all.

Trianglesunlimited sells nice 5.25" grates that aren't cheezoid like the OE 93 grates are in a lot of ways that are also manuelle window compatible.
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Kjets, you always have a great answer to my questions :^) I'm really considering just deleting the head unit and putting a small preamp/equalizer circuit behind the dash with an analog stereo input and put a power/volume knob on the dash. That'll leave room for a little ham radio in the single din slot
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:49 AM   #12
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This is what you want:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-omgT9F...SAAEgKz-PD_BwE

It's expensive tho
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This is what you want:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-omgT9F...SAAEgKz-PD_BwE

It's expensive tho
Yea, that's definitely the legit option. they sure priced it for the porsche / bmw crowd tho.
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Oh yeah. That thing is incredible. I don't think it's worth the price for me though.
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Old 09-15-2020, 05:30 PM   #15
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Volume knob and undervalued Volvo/Alpine 850R/V70R 200W amp &/or 780 Sub-woofer/parcel tray amp if you're a junkyard hound/want a project.

IIRC the 1991?ish they put the amp below the passenger window wiper on a bracket/lots of space before the passenger felt/behind the glovebox there on the LHD cars? They hid that thing in various creative locations on the 240s.

Volume knob taking up 52mm gauge space with custom wood bezel or similar if you want to look at it?
3-gauge pack otherwise next to it?
Lower cubby?
I like the radio in the lower cubby/don't want it shining in my face, but that's just me, I no care that much to look at it/fiddle with it, just play my CDs/books on tape/Music in order and make it easy to turn down/pay close attention to road conditions/old hooptie car noises/think about getting to the job site safely dammit!

Or hidden...somewhere? if you don't want to look at it?
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Volume knob and undervalued Volvo/Alpine 850R/V70R 200W amp &/or 780 Sub-woofer/parcel tray amp if you're a junkyard hound/want a project.

IIRC the 1991?ish they put the amp below the passenger window wiper on a bracket/lots of space before the passenger felt/behind the glovebox there on the LHD cars? They hid that thing in various creative locations on the 240s.

Volume knob taking up 52mm gauge space with custom wood bezel or similar if you want to look at it?
3-gauge pack otherwise next to it?
Lower cubby?
I like the radio in the lower cubby/don't want it shining in my face, but that's just me, I no care that much to look at it/fiddle with it, just play my CDs/books on tape/Music in order and make it easy to turn down/pay close attention to road conditions/old hooptie car noises/think about getting to the job site safely dammit!

Or hidden...somewhere? if you don't want to look at it?

95+ 960 and 850R did come with great sound systems with a decent amp. Never thought about reusing one though.

I also much prefer the lower mounting location. I don't want the radio in myface when I'm driving.

Much rather have some analog gauges back there with the dimest of backlights.
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They didn't really make 240s sound that nice if you want to keep the stereo out of your way/not take it too seriously without too many over-lay harnesses?

I always drove a wagon, don't care for excess door wiring all that much as a rule (the rear door speakers down low that can get kicked by kids etc).

So the kaplhenke 5.25s in front and 4" shallows in the triangle panels by the rear bench was about all the more seriously I'm willing to take solving this problem, or my hoard of 4" bostons/pile of 4x40 alpine amps from late 960/850s etc.
MB quart rounds in the hat shelf of a 244 are nice in the more rigid chassis though without cutting/molesting the hat shelf.

Trade-offs though, the 240 dash with all its space for those nice german VDO green light/background in the 'normal' portion of the gauge/ against soft phosphorescent orange front-lit needles is great with a shadowbox for glare/minimal lumens/eye strain at night.
Works well, feels like an old friend driving one again compared to a modern car.
SAAB got the ergonomics of that a little more right in some ways, tho no generic 52mm gauges like the 81+ 240s.
Can't freaking stand driving any modern cars at night, feels so annoying 'dammit, they had this all figured out already for WW2 (era) pilots for minimal eye strain reading dial gauges at night, why must you make this worse?!?'
It's like the seinfeld chicken super-nova apartment ingress scene to drive a modern car/operate it's HAL/Stereo!

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I actually have one of those alpine amps from a p80 car which goes under the radio behind the dash. It's sitting in a box with an sc-901 receiver.

I have a feeling the amp behind the lower cubby hole will have plenty of power to drive the door speakers. I can always add a powered sub later. There are some really cute ones in the 75-150 watt rms range
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^That's where they hid the amp on 1992+ 240s with the short cubby.
Radio up top tho.

Complain to me trying to find an original vintage looking stereo for your AE86 corolla/no wiring in the doors at all after some car thief did a number on the surround/column lock many moons ago?

At least volvo guys have a decent quality japan/alpine junkpile to recombine across a ton of model years, could be worse?
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Oh. They have deeper cubbies? Good to know. Maybe I'll relocate the amp.

I really don't mind having the radio up top. The oem one is not too bright, and I plan on putting a ham radio there anyway which will probably be off most of the time and dimmable
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Same stereo sub-harness either way on most 240s/reaches to both spots top/bottom.

If I keep an '86+ 240 any length of time I usually move it down low doing the inevitable heater fan if I'm not too much of a skin flint to come off a metal surround/adapter for the lower position/want to go to any thought/effort to move it.

As you say, if you no care about additional gauges, as long as it's dim up top, it's not so bad.
Maybe this is nostalgia-trap/my lawn kind of thinking; I just want digital/electronics to be my slaves, not the other way around & don't think that's unreasonable as a demand/constraint?
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Same stereo sub-harness either way on most 240s/reaches to both spots top/bottom.

Very interesting! Thanks.


Yeah I'm not sure what gauges I would really need. I have the big tach, the small clock, and a volt meter. I totally feel you on not being a slave to devices and media. That's actually why I want the radio up top. Because it's easier to operate and I can spend less time interfacing with it. That and the space would be wasted otherwise.
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Tough break.
I remember driving with Dad in his '96 Legend and it just had a giant volume knob and 'Bose' branded () premium sound.
Had a button to advance the track/CD & volume control on the steering wheel with a giant volume knob on the dash & dim screen.
Seemed pretty intuitive.
In the day; load the trunk CD changer, have the 6-hour stint worth of book-on-tape/music for a road trip.

Or around town, IDK, you're going such little distance/doing so many small jobs, I mostly just keep the stereo off & try to hit 6x supply houses/industrial places (machine shops/whatever in the day/before developers hollowed out inner-SE industrial & you could hit 6 places in 1 hour), but maybe I'm too easily distracted/don't use the automobile in the way many do?
Just trying to think about where I'm going/get there safely/remember everything on the giant checklist?

Never driven to commute really, or more than 15 minutes at a time in the car/hauled heavy sketchy stuff.
Only for pleasure/road trips/don't need to mess with the thing much/low location is fine.

CR814 w/240 upper face plate if you can find one is probably for you; old skool green LCD, period correct, works with Volvo/Alpine external amp of your choosing (mostly finding one of those that's got enough heat sink/temp stable takes some doing).
Or has the volume knob exposed/minimal lighting or face cover and only the volume/track advance/wonderbar for radio/emergency tuning?
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Yeah I don't have to think about much on my commute to and from work. I just roll the windows down and blast some cocteau twins. It's a proven formula that's worked for quite a while now :^)

That CR-814 looks really interesting. Looks like a nice vacuum-fluorescent display. Can I not attach my normal face plate to this radio? Also what's up with the loud knob? Is this like a loudness compensation control (boosts low and high freq's) or is this a control for a speed-compensated volume adjustment? Cool head unit.
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^That's broadly correct.
I *think* it has the EQ output if you're that much of a hopeless vintage alpine/volvo branded factory audio dork.
I have the 240 graphic EQ that goes in the upper cubby and the face somewhere for the CR814 to mount it low down (tho that's kinda backwards ergonomically like you say...EQ probably in the lower cubby, stereo up top )

Cleanflametrap had a good few observations fixing volvo tape decks/volume pots etc.
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