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Old 03-10-2020, 05:33 PM   #1
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Has anyone successfully gotten a +T car through the California smog ref? I have seen a few references to people suggesting that but haven't found a recent example of someone's results.

My biggest worry is them checking the block serial number and I have read mixed reports on that. I have all the parts for a +T and a cylinder head. So if they check part numbers I would just need a good B230FT block.
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Old 03-10-2020, 05:40 PM   #2
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Old 03-10-2020, 05:58 PM   #3
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Thanks, time to go find a B230FT block.
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:08 PM   #4
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Might as well buy a parts car they want to see all 12# of 7-940 sheet in the 240's 5# bag engine bay.
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Oh and if it's a 940T and the ref knows his stuff he'll be looking for an autotragic behind it.
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That is precisely why I am trying to find a 90 or 91 740 block. The only possible sticking point could be the head mounted distributor.
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Old 03-10-2020, 08:03 PM   #7
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Buy a 740t or 940t save time and effort
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Old 03-10-2020, 08:21 PM   #8
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Head mounted distributor on a FT is the biggest issue, even though it makes no difference they will fail you for a block one. My guess is [I]if[I] you bar one with the head mounted dizzy then move to a block mounted one a smog tech won't fail you.

I was thinking about this fitment issue today, besides shimming the transmission mount id be interested in trying to hog out the holes on the motor mount to move it forward a tiny bit.

Or get a sharpy, draw a T next to the F and tell the smog guy its OEM
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Oh and if it's a 940T and the ref knows his stuff he'll be looking for an autotragic behind it.
Based on what I've read you can use the old transmission if you want, no need for an auto

"The transmission and evaporative systems will be allowed to remain in the recipient vehicle configuration,but must function appropriately."

https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Engine_Ch...G_04.19.18.pdf
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I have measured the clearance behind the head with the trans jacked up and there isn't much space. So either caving in the firewall or try it with a block mounted distributor.

On the transmission it should be easy to just say the engine is from a 90 or 91 740 turbo. The biggest difference visually being the smaller radiator and intercooler. You could also argue that the motor came with that transmission in the same configuration from the factory.

From that slideshow it would appear that since my 240 and the donor car are OBD 1 then keeping the M47 is just fine. Although that will be replaced in favor of something better soon after I get it past the ref.

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I have measured the clearance behind the head with the trans jacked up and there isn't much space. So either caving in the firewall or try it with a block mounted distributor.

On the transmission it should be easy to just say the engine is from a 90 or 91 740 turbo. The biggest difference visually being the smaller radiator and intercooler. You could also argue that the motor came with that transmission in the same configuration from the factory.

From that slideshow it would appear that since my 240 and the donor car are OBD 1 then keeping the M47 is just fine. Although that will be replaced in favor of something better soon after I get it past the ref.
They will also check the ECU and EZK part numbers against the year of the motor. I don't think intercooler or radiator matters as far as the ref is concerned
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Most of what I've read consists of Volvo Kids struggle with BAR, I guess others have had better luck (or better refs)

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Based on what I've read you can use the old transmission if you want, no need for an auto

"The transmission and evaporative systems will be allowed to remain in the recipient vehicle configuration,but must function appropriately."

https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Engine_Ch...G_04.19.18.pdf
Agreed that's what it says on the site but a member was trying to ref a 240 to smog as a 940 which never got a stick shift here and the referee gave him grief.

Can't find the thread but it might be better to get a 740 in that case.
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Yeah he was in sac. Ref said he needed head mounted dizzy for 2.4. Even tho the block one is just a transfer basically.
Buy a diesel car and be done with it. Or a 75.
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Make a diesel car and be done with it. Or a 75.
Or pull your **** off every two years. Not hyped for this summer, mines coming up

If only someone nearby had a diesel car or 75 they wanted to sell
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Or pull your **** off every two years. Not hyped for this summer, mines coming up

If only someone nearby had a diesel car or 75 they wanted to sell
Or buy a 240 Turbo and get happy with it for what it is.
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Or pull your **** off every two years. Not hyped for this summer, mines coming up

If only someone nearby had a diesel car or 75 they wanted to sell
I think I have everything to the point where it will take an hour or two of work to remove or install the turbo on my existing engine. So removing it for smog is doable, but annoying.

A factory 240 turbo is definitely the ideal situation.
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Well you'd better have your isht right before you go to the ref and 'call the cops' to your own party.

In any case as they say; "Good luck with your mission should you decide to accept it."
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Find a cool smog shop that's not going to bust balls about visuals. I had one in Oakland when I lived there. Moved up north and it is as just as easy to find one. First shop up here said "you don't have a vacuum advance on your distributor". Enough said. I'm outta here. Second shop didn't give an F as long as you pass the sniffer. They've passed me about five times now.
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If only someone nearby had a diesel car or 75 they wanted to sell
pull it off every two years?! Thats sounds like a blast....

if only they would pay what its worth.

Could also look at vehicle smog cut points. Then you can pick a year that has high limits. A 76 I have has a limit of 1100 for nox which is pretty high.
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pull it off every two years?! Thats sounds like a blast.....

Could also look at vehicle smog cut points. Then you can pick a year that has high limits. A 76 I have has a limit of 1100 for nox which is pretty high.
Shouldn't be too bad I'm planning my conversation now "no those holes arnt for an inter cooler, ignore those oil lines they are for an oil cooler"

The issue is passing a visual, If it was just tailpipe (like it should be) then even a +t done well would pass.

Why can't they go back to rolling 30 year cutoff
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idk they should. How many carb cars are on the road still but need smog tests? Heard they were trying to get them up to the year 1982 but well see.
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Yeah he was in sac. Ref said he needed head mounted dizzy for 2.4. Even tho the block one is just a transfer basically.
Buy a diesel car and be done with it. Or a 75.
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if only they would pay what its worth.

Could also look at vehicle smog cut points. Then you can pick a year that has high limits. A 76 I have has a limit of 1100 for nox which is pretty high.
You sell them for ~#$2.5K are you not happy with that?

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I am. Most just see the price as the hurdle not the end goal.
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