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Drove bosses 242 turbo Group A. What a Blast!!!

yeah but the 18det was already under development in the bluebird turbo win ATCC Lakeside round in 1984. Na na, na nah nah... ( that's my childish laugh ;-) but you're right skyline was bit later. I was just making point of 240 falling to wayside and skyline and cossy takin over, due to poor leadership in Volvo camp
 
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Further the artilce states things patently incorrect..
It says (god where to people dream this stuff up?:omg:)


Thats bollocks or bulldust, skitprat.. EVERYTHING must be in the homologation papers--that's the whole idea..

Here in the 1983 version is the Form:

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and the obligatory photo:

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EVERY combination of discs and calipers had to be noted in the Homologation forms diameters, thicknesses, weights..

(I cannot post any link to those because an outrageously immoderate moderator has banned me several times for even linking to any brake specs and threatened angrily that he will "convince all the other mods to Lifetime ban me if I ever say anything" about any Volvo brakes set ups....so go thru the pages of stuff yourselves..EVERYTHING--and note you could not go carve up a hunk of aluminum and make a brake bell/hat out of aluminum yourself, the parts had to have etched or stamped a real Part Number...so naturally they cost 5-8 times or more what you could make..This is ONE reason everybody hated Group A back in the day..


Now...look at those nice Getrag ratios..THOSE would be nice in a hot road car..
And note that ALL the top contenders:Volvo, BMW, Rover V8 and the car that killed them all Ford Sierra, all used those same gears...
THAT is more interesting than fapping over long gone stock cars.


I'm sorry John but I don't know what the **** you're talking about. :e-shrug:
Read through those papers again.
It was after the '83 car that the alternative trans was available. Also alternative brakes and suspension links and rear axle and INTERCOOLER and water injection etc.
All those mythical race parts were homoligated in '83.
The "evolution" right on page 35 is the car at the top of this thread, but with boot lid spoiler. The '81-'82 cars are shown without intercooler. No goodies.
The '83 car is shown with one. Plus all the goodies.

And you and I have both posted the 500 evos rule.
500...5000 I don't care! But you can't say it wasn't allowed, because it was.

Also my correspondence with Dan Johnston and others who put me in touch with him.
I really doubt he's lying.:roll:
The guy was credited for pulling Volvo out of its death throws for Gods sake.
He said he was THERE and saw for himself, race parts in this country.
He said 500 special order cars and I'm going to take his word for it.

I really don't care beyond enjoying trivia....but dam dude!

Also here! I'll post the ****ing brakes! :doh:

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OK, Question regardless of number, date and options... As per Dave B's post, did Volvo remove them all or actually deliver at least one 240 vehicle with at least one option either installed or as installable accessory ( eg in the trunk). I ask because his post ruled that out, suggests Volvo resold the add ons. Yes, no or folk lore ?
 
OK, Question regardless of number, date and options... As per Dave B's post, did Volvo remove them all or actually deliver at least one 240 vehicle with at least one option either installed or as installable accessory ( eg in the trunk). I ask because his post ruled that out, suggests Volvo resold the add ons. Yes, no or folk lore ?


No one knows the answer to that.
It was probably a handshake between a few old men.

Volvo was obviously trying to distance themselves from motorsports.
They cheated by supposedly reporting a works evolution model that never existed.
 
... But a new thread for the ultimate oldskool 240 turbo build as it would have been if played some more?... How to build a replica of the 240 turbo next phase Evo that never was?
Sorry I'm on morphine with a surfing injury to foot ... Rant rant
 
What I don't understand is why they would have american version cars when they were never raced here in the states and all of the Group A Volvos (except 1 private entry) had the RoW front end.

I'd be interested in running/helping with a registry for the flatnose cars.


Interesting. Now I want to look at more cars and see if they didn't have the sticker either.
Missed this.
It's my understanding that Volvo didn't want a works car. Volvo corporate's emphasis was on safety, not performance. Racing, they thought, would undermine this.
The only way to build an evolution model without building an evolution model was to sell 500 very expensive special order 240GLT cars in the US where they knew:
a) They would sell. 500 5star Volvo dealers each got one to put in the showroom. They were $17,800 and something...which was a lot.
b) They could be hidden from the inspectors. I believe that the race parts in the US were part of these shenanigans, in the event Volvo was called out....which they were.
The story goes, a couple of cars were quickly prepared for inspectors, and then put back to stock once they were signed off.
It was bull**** and everyone knew it.
The other manufacturers, mainly BMW threw such a stink that Volvo eventually pulled the plug.
 
You guys completely missed the most egregious statement in this thread:





No self-respecting 240 Turbo would claim the Polestar as progeny. The Polestar nonsense only dreams of being this cool. :cameron:

Shyea...Right!!! :lol:
I'd totally take a day off to Mike test a Polestar! :nod:
 
Nobody bothered to comment, don't see a connection

It was mentioned twice.
Once by OP and once in the email I posted.
First limited run of hotrods was the '83.
Next was the T5R special order.
Now the Polestar.

Volvo hasn't done many performance editions. I think there was a hotrod P something.
Like a P2000 maybe.
 
Have you seen the price of a lotus cortina or mark1. escort? Over here, only a shelby or Aussie built GTO (falcon equivalent) are more sought after. Got any over there?

Before the skyline, nothing could get close to the 240... 635csi, TWR v12, mustang, Holden/chev 5.0, etc

The right Cotina: insane
But with Escorts, its all in the build spec..Either MI or MkII if done to proper FIA Appendix K spec is an $100,000+ car --'Merkanski dollars.

Beyond insane..
And crazier still is people still pound them so hard..
You see Haydon Paddon's 1st OVERALL in a BDA (1600) MkII at last years NZRC round down in Otago?


See there's a tie in to Volvos! I say the 240 is just a larger, wider MkII Escort in the rough...
Build it more or less the same and it will go more or less the same: GOOD power to weigh, EASY servicabily, Great balance and as Paddon showed, good enough to beat $300,000 turbo AWD cars on the loose...

But the difference is we can afford to do a 240...and we can afford to crash one too.:omg:
 
It was mentioned twice.
Once by OP and once in the email I posted.
First limited run of hotrods was the '83.
Next was the T5R special order.
Now the Polestar.

Volvo hasn't done many performance editions. I think there was a hotrod P something.
Like a P2000 maybe.

I guess Polestar is a different kettle of fish as not part of Volvo. I like what they did too. Thread was 240 specific homologation
 
The right Cotina: insane
But with Escorts, its all in the build spec..Either MI or MkII if done to proper FIA Appendix K spec is an $100,000+ car --'Merkanski dollars.

Beyond insane..
And crazier still is people still pound them so hard..
You see Haydon Paddon's 1st OVERALL in a BDA (1600) MkII at last years NZRC round down in Otago?


See there's a tie in to Volvos! I say the 240 is just a larger, wider MkII Escort in the rough...
Build it more or less the same and it will go more or less the same: GOOD power to weigh, EASY servicabily, Great balance and as Paddon showed, good enough to beat $300,000 turbo AWD cars on the loose...

But the difference is we can afford to do a 240...and we can afford to crash one too.:omg:

Paddon seems like pretty good driver eh... I need to see that footage. Yes a big ford escort! There was a guy down here by the name of Paul Adams in the 70s. Used to love watching him throw his rs2000 around handicap races. He'd have 10 laps to over take the slower cars, ...sideways
http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?232-Hamilton-Tarmac-Rally-1981
 
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Paddon seems like pretty good driver eh... I need to see that footage. Yes a big ford escort! There was a guy down here by the name of Paul Adams in the 70s. Used to love watching him throw his rs2000 around handicap races. He'd have 10 laps to over take the slower cars, ...sideways

Oh, here's little taste treat

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Have you seen much Volvo action from Sweden and Finland?
One word::omg:
 
They cheated by supposedly reporting a works evolution model that never existed.

Cheating. That's an opinion thing. I had a lengthy discussion about this subject years ago with with an old Volvo insider who was there, but made me promise to never reveal his name. He was clear that they absolutely "never ever cheated," but instead they found ambiguous wording or pushed the rules language right up to the gray areas every chance they could to try to gain any small advantage. Winning was everything. Second place was losing. All the teams did it and the winning teams were usually just more successful at it. Everyone was filing grievances about other teams and occasionally officials would side against the rules bender. If you followed every rule like a boy scout you could expect to be in last place.

I can certainly understand this state of mind. If I were a car maker and wanted my team to win a championship, I would hire a team with this kind of ruthless competitive attitude.
Dave B
 
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