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Old 03-13-2020, 04:09 PM   #1
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Nothing special, stock stock with nothing but a boost controller and an Ostrich for tuning. As we saw with linuxman51's car (and others prior to this) it came in lean and ended up fat up top. Tried pulling a little timing but it basically did nothing. 184 whp and 253 wtq is more than what seems to be usual for these cars although a manual transmission and recent fliud changes/tuneup likely account for most of that. Definitely more than I was expecting. This is on the same dyno where our N/A race car made 145 whp. This car made 144/188 at "stock boost" which actually turned out to be a somewhat generous 8 psi. I think the EBC I was working with had a minimum duty cycle, or perhaps this was a result of the particular dyno used.

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Old 03-13-2020, 04:27 PM   #2
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Cool!

This link worked for me to get the full size.

https://i.imgur.com/dHBDCCZ.jpeg

What's next? V15T cam? Exhaust?
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:30 PM   #3
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I went to the link but got distracted by "Who says white people can't dance"
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Old 03-13-2020, 05:02 PM   #4
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Next is probably V15T/15G(or similar)/exhaust. After I find all the local stumps that need pulling, I guess.
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Old 03-13-2020, 05:25 PM   #5
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Next is probably V15T/15G(or similar)/exhaust. After I find all the local stumps that need pulling, I guess.
Msns k cam and t3t4
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Old 03-16-2020, 04:24 PM   #6
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Actually I'll pass on all three of those things
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Old 03-16-2020, 04:38 PM   #7
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Msns k cam and t3t4
its not 2008 anymore
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Old 03-16-2020, 04:56 PM   #8
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It gets the job done for almost nothing and will crush a 15g setup.
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Old 03-16-2020, 05:05 PM   #9
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It gets the job done for almost nothing and will crush a 15g setup.
Won't crush it in idle quality, fuel economy, time to torque, road manners

I drive this car every day it's about more than just 1/4 mile times
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:09 PM   #10
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LOL been using a V15T since about 2008. From the very first day I put it in I was so pleased with how well it drove at all rpm zones. One of the favorite changes was how well you can use third to drive on ramps and get up to highway speeds. Of course I went from a T cam to the V15T so a real street performance cam was an incredible change.
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Old 03-17-2020, 10:10 AM   #11
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It gets the job done for almost nothing and will crush a 15g setup.
oh? what kind of 1/4 mile times did you run on that vintage t3/t4? down into the 12s?
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Old 03-19-2020, 03:03 AM   #12
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the ostrich setup let's you tune on the fly correct??

Also nice numbers probably feels all right!
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:42 PM   #13
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Sure does. I updated the tune with the car off but that's a (probably) unnecessary safety measure. The car feels pretty healthy, helps that on the street you're basically always in the powerband.
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Old 03-25-2020, 12:22 AM   #14
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Might one ask how many pounds of boost you were / are running at?
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Old 03-25-2020, 12:56 AM   #15
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This is at about 13 pounds of boost.
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Old 03-25-2020, 04:00 PM   #16
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Healthy motor for sure, the horsepower curve seems to hold to a higher rpm than a total stock camshaft. Any chance that someone may have changed it previously?
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Old 03-25-2020, 04:10 PM   #17
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Healthy motor for sure, the horsepower curve seems to hold to a higher rpm than a total stock camshaft. Any chance that someone may have changed it previously?
He has tuned the factory computers to not go as pig rich up top, and there's no automatic, so I think that is the main reasoning behind it.
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:55 PM   #18
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Definitely still a T cam in there, I took it out to run the ENEM V15 briefly but put it back for this session in the hopes that maybe someone would be interested in a set of chips for a stock (except for added boost) car. It's one of the healthiest ones I've seen, probably due to the manual swap. Or maybe it's just a ringer. Compression was 160-155-150-160 when I checked it after I did plugs, wish I had the stuff to do a leakdown test here.
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:32 PM   #19
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Won't crush it in idle quality, fuel economy, time to torque, road manners

I drive this car every day it's about more than just 1/4 mile times
I daily drove an MSNS car for a few years. Idle quality, fuel economy, road manners etc were great. Perhaps the average turbobricker will hack something together and pray before hitting the road, but a competent MS installation is every bit as reliable, and IMO superior, than what LH2.4 will offer. Sophisticated idle control, fan control, fuel economy etc... You can have it all so long as you do a proper job.
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oh? what kind of 1/4 mile times did you run on that vintage t3/t4? down into the 12s?
My car is not a fair comparison, lag is not an issue if u shift at 8500
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I daily drove an MSNS car for a few years. Idle quality, fuel economy, road manners etc were great. Perhaps the average turbobricker will hack something together and pray before hitting the road, but a competent MS installation is every bit as reliable, and IMO superior, than what LH2.4 will offer. Sophisticated idle control, fan control, fuel economy etc... You can have it all so long as you do a proper job.
I know you can install it and do a good job, but I also know that I have no complaints about how well the stock EMS runs in my car. The road manners complaints were mostly with regard to the eBay turbo and K cam suggestions. What I have works for me and is reliable, so why replace it?
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